1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:05,920 [Music] 2 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:13,920 from Australia for science and reason 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:16,890 [Applause] 5 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:22,490 [Music] 6 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:24,960 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:32,060 --> 00:00:28,980 episode number 487 for the 18th of 8 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:32,070 February 2018 Richard Saunders here with 9 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:35,220 you from a very muggy steamy Sydney 10 00:00:39,890 --> 00:00:37,710 Australia and before we get started with 11 00:00:42,380 --> 00:00:39,900 the show a big congratulations to my 12 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:42,390 friend Tim Ferguson who does the bunga 13 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:44,449 bunga podcast with our reporter may not 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:47,550 just today Tim had an exhibition of some 15 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:51,570 of his artworks and it was were very 16 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:54,180 well attended and I think the artworks 17 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:56,809 were selling well so congratulations Tim 18 00:01:02,390 --> 00:00:59,460 it's always it's always a big thing 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:02,400 actually when you have an art exhibition 20 00:01:07,399 --> 00:01:04,890 I've had well I've had an exhibition I 21 00:01:09,530 --> 00:01:07,409 suppose of photography once it's very 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:09,540 exciting and again warm congratulations 23 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:12,450 to Tim Ferguson and don't forget you can 24 00:01:17,380 --> 00:01:14,430 hear Tim and may not doing bunga bunga 25 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:17,390 podcast at Maynard dot-com thought you 26 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:20,040 know I had a funny thing happened to me 27 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:23,070 the other day funny funny well not 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:26,640 really funny I was stepping on a 29 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:29,490 cardboard box to make it go flat so I 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:31,560 could then take it up to the recycle bin 31 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:36,090 as a household that practices recycling 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:38,970 so there I was stomping away when my 33 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:41,370 foot came down on the the cardboard box 34 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:45,030 it lost traction on the wooden floor my 35 00:01:51,290 --> 00:01:47,700 foot went with the box away from my body 36 00:01:53,570 --> 00:01:51,300 and I was sort of tipped over straight 37 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:53,580 back down on to the hard wooden floor 38 00:01:58,850 --> 00:01:56,610 and my coccyx ouch 39 00:02:00,050 --> 00:01:58,860 I was completely winded dazed and 40 00:02:03,530 --> 00:02:00,060 confused I didn't know what had happened 41 00:02:05,090 --> 00:02:03,540 in great pain and for a moment I 42 00:02:08,029 --> 00:02:05,100 wondered if I could actually stand up at 43 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:08,039 all I whacked my arm on the table going 44 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:10,319 down luckily there wasn't anything 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:15,870 behind my head I eventually got to my 46 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:19,530 feet and sort of crawled off to bed the 47 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:22,200 next day my back and my lower back 48 00:02:27,009 --> 00:02:24,150 especially got progressively worse I was 49 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:27,019 feeling a little bit disorientated and 50 00:02:32,179 --> 00:02:30,120 what I should have done right away which 51 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:32,189 I didn't do was I went to the doctor who 52 00:02:36,770 --> 00:02:33,870 referred me to get x-rays 53 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:36,780 luckily I didn't break anything but it 54 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:40,260 really hurt I can tell you folks so 55 00:02:44,449 --> 00:02:42,360 that's why the skeptic zone is a little 56 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:44,459 bit disjointed in short this week I was 57 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:46,739 just a little bit out of sorts feeling 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:47,640 much better now 59 00:02:52,809 --> 00:02:49,890 almost almost back to normal but my 60 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:52,819 advice don't fall over on your coccyx 61 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:55,470 but now what's on this week's episode of 62 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:58,230 the skeptic zone I'm going to start with 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:00,480 a little bit of information about a very 64 00:03:09,140 --> 00:03:04,410 cold old cold case here in Australia way 65 00:03:11,420 --> 00:03:09,150 back in 1966 in fact three children went 66 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:11,430 missing from Adelaide it's called the 67 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:13,410 Beaumont children case it's very famous 68 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:15,599 in Australia and the reason it's of 69 00:03:21,530 --> 00:03:18,200 interest to the skeptical community is 70 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:21,540 because it's an early example of a 71 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:24,720 so-called psychic detective being called 72 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:27,780 in to try and shed some light on these 73 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:30,480 missing children now the children have 74 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:33,450 never been found so it's well over fifty 75 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:37,590 years now but the story in regards to 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:39,900 the psychic is a good lesson even for us 77 00:03:44,660 --> 00:03:42,410 today so I'll be chatting about that 78 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:44,670 well before the show really gets 79 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:47,130 underway but then we have a grain of 80 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:49,200 salt with Iran sir given Iran is going 81 00:03:54,559 --> 00:03:51,120 to bring us up to date on the 82 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:54,569 fundraising campaign that he and 83 00:04:00,170 --> 00:03:56,880 Australian skeptics initiated for Britt 84 00:04:02,539 --> 00:04:00,180 Hermes the ex naturopath who is being 85 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:02,549 sued or threatened with legal action by 86 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:05,040 naturopaths following that it's a very 87 00:04:10,339 --> 00:04:07,230 interesting interview may not conduct it 88 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:10,349 at skeptics in the pub with dr. Andrea 89 00:04:17,089 --> 00:04:12,540 Liang who was there to give a talk and 90 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:17,099 her speciality is well microbiology 91 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:19,280 biology of the gut that sort of thing 92 00:04:25,159 --> 00:04:22,740 it's a it's a wide-ranging discussion 93 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:25,169 and yes chocolate is mentioned is it 94 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:27,030 good to eat chocolate from her point of 95 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:29,190 view find out I hope the answers yes I 96 00:04:34,219 --> 00:04:31,349 certainly hope the answers yes and she 97 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:34,229 is also a candidate representative from 98 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:36,900 the science party the political party 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:39,810 based on science an interesting 100 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:41,490 interview coming up a bit later on in 101 00:04:46,030 --> 00:04:43,380 the show then we hear from Elizabeth 102 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:46,040 Katie and Jessica Schwab a 103 00:04:53,170 --> 00:04:48,680 their upcoming project memoirs of a 104 00:04:54,820 --> 00:04:53,180 former mystic now Jessica and Elizabeth 105 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:54,830 were interviewed on the skeptics own 106 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:57,530 last year by Iran Segev I'll add a link 107 00:05:02,290 --> 00:04:59,360 to that in the show notes in case you 108 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:02,300 want a recap or you didn't hear it this 109 00:05:08,170 --> 00:05:04,010 is all about the fact that Jessica was 110 00:05:10,570 --> 00:05:08,180 to consider to be a mystic New Age guru 111 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:10,580 and she went around the world preaching 112 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:15,950 the new age until she more or less woke 113 00:05:21,460 --> 00:05:19,310 up to herself the penny dropped and now 114 00:05:24,670 --> 00:05:21,470 she's I guess you'd call it she's a 115 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:24,680 defector to science it made a lot of New 116 00:05:29,410 --> 00:05:27,290 Age people very upset anyway this is a 117 00:05:31,810 --> 00:05:29,420 little update about that whole project a 118 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:31,820 very interesting project and I'm looking 119 00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:33,470 forward to seeing the finished product 120 00:05:39,310 --> 00:05:36,830 and also information on how you can help 121 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:39,320 the project come along then then we'll 122 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:40,910 bring you a story from the Australian 123 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:44,230 skeptics website about the expected 124 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:47,330 scientific literacy for complementary 125 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:51,680 and alternative practitioners and out of 126 00:05:58,930 --> 00:05:55,010 12 recommended criteria scientific 127 00:06:01,720 --> 00:05:58,940 literacy comes 11th well that sort of 128 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:01,730 makes sense in a way if complementary 129 00:06:05,980 --> 00:06:03,170 and alternative practitioners were 130 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:05,990 required to have high scientific 131 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:07,550 literacy maybe they wouldn't be 132 00:06:11,290 --> 00:06:08,680 complementary and alternative 133 00:06:13,630 --> 00:06:11,300 practitioners all that coming up on the 134 00:06:16,450 --> 00:06:13,640 skeptic zone but before we start here's 135 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:16,460 my take on the Beaumont case now the 136 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:19,970 reason the reason that I've got very 137 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:21,650 interested in this case was a couple of 138 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:25,280 weeks ago police received credible 139 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:30,170 evidence of the possible burial site of 140 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:34,010 these children in a in a warehouse in 141 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:37,190 Adelaide and this evidence was based on 142 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:40,010 a possible suspect brought to the 143 00:06:43,150 --> 00:06:42,410 attention of the police and some work 144 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:43,160 done 145 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:45,710 like geophysics ground-penetrating radar 146 00:06:51,750 --> 00:06:48,680 radar type work which indicated an 147 00:06:55,450 --> 00:06:51,760 anomaly in in the yard of this warehouse 148 00:06:58,570 --> 00:06:55,460 so police took that all into 149 00:06:59,470 --> 00:06:58,580 consideration and decided that it was 150 00:07:02,470 --> 00:06:59,480 probably 151 00:07:04,630 --> 00:07:02,480 worth a dig sadly after the police were 152 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:04,640 digging they they found nothing I think 153 00:07:09,070 --> 00:07:07,220 there was some animal skeletons or some 154 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:09,080 rubbish left there many many many years 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:09,650 ago 156 00:07:15,150 --> 00:07:11,570 so another dead end in the case 157 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:15,160 unfortunately but way back in the 60s in 158 00:07:23,710 --> 00:07:18,590 1966 and these children disappeared on 159 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:23,720 the 26th of January 1966 the the case 160 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:25,730 caught the imagination the whole country 161 00:07:29,380 --> 00:07:28,070 in fact where it was a quite a horrible 162 00:07:33,970 --> 00:07:29,390 thing to have three children simply 163 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:33,980 disappear suspects were flagged ideas 164 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:36,920 were put forward claims that the 165 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:38,300 children were abducted and taken 166 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:41,750 overseas but as the months went by the 167 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:44,180 case sort of stagnated and there was 168 00:07:52,450 --> 00:07:48,760 really no leads that's when the Dutch 169 00:07:55,170 --> 00:07:52,460 clairvoyant psychic mystic seer as he 170 00:07:59,470 --> 00:07:55,180 was known in the press gerard 171 00:08:02,530 --> 00:07:59,480 Chrisette was was brought in now he had 172 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:02,540 been sent letters and information all 173 00:08:09,250 --> 00:08:05,440 the way to the netherlands from adelaide 174 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:09,260 including a about to say a video but it 175 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:12,020 was a film made from a helicopter of the 176 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:15,290 beach glenelg beach from where we'd 177 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:18,200 suspected the children disappeared he 178 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:21,290 used his visions and declared that the 179 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:23,450 children were actually buried somewhere 180 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:25,130 but there was no foul play they were 181 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:28,460 buried by accident this really did catch 182 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:30,410 the popular imagination at the time and 183 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:33,110 there were many newspaper articles and 184 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:35,870 reports about this mystic seer in the 185 00:08:42,430 --> 00:08:39,260 Netherlands so much interest was 186 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:42,440 generated and by now people were getting 187 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:44,050 a bit desperate they really needed to 188 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:47,570 try to bring this case to a close that a 189 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:49,430 local businessman by the name of con 190 00:08:58,300 --> 00:08:54,640 Pilates helped sponsor a visit by Jared 191 00:09:01,060 --> 00:08:58,310 Cosette to Australia and even on the 192 00:09:04,690 --> 00:09:01,070 flight to Australia which in the mid-60s 193 00:09:06,220 --> 00:09:04,700 took her took quite some time he was 194 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:06,230 accompanied by reporters who were 195 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:07,910 sending back reports about his latest 196 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:11,120 vision just getting to Adelaide when he 197 00:09:17,450 --> 00:09:13,490 arrived in Adelaide in November 198 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:17,460 1966 he was met by hundreds of people at 199 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:20,010 Adelaide Airport and over 30 200 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:22,260 representatives of TV radio and 201 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:25,350 newspaper media in fact I've come across 202 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:27,600 a few reports that liken it to the 203 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:30,810 Beatles arriving over the next two and a 204 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:33,930 half days was that as far as I can 205 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:35,970 determine from all the research I've 206 00:09:42,829 --> 00:09:39,480 done largely through archival newspaper 207 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:42,839 reports drove around or was driven 208 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:46,980 around following his visions and making 209 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:48,930 notes followed also by the media who 210 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:51,810 were close behind he talked the people 211 00:09:56,660 --> 00:09:53,730 he'd look at spots he'd make more notes 212 00:09:59,150 --> 00:09:56,670 and sketches he'd have more visions at 213 00:10:01,579 --> 00:09:59,160 one stage he spent an hour with a woman 214 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:01,589 who claimed she had a vision about the 215 00:10:08,269 --> 00:10:04,800 children and this went on for two days 216 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:08,279 eventually he decided that the children 217 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:10,950 were buried under a concrete floor of a 218 00:10:18,050 --> 00:10:14,760 recently built warehouse and then 219 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:18,060 promptly left the country well just 220 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,970 before he did he spent an hour or two 221 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:22,800 with the parents of the Beaumont 222 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:27,560 children the strange thing to do I guess 223 00:10:32,390 --> 00:10:30,420 he told the parents that he thought the 224 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:32,400 children were dead or his vision told 225 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:36,000 him that mrs. Beaumont for one refused 226 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:38,220 to believe her children were dead anyway 227 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:42,240 he flies off such was the the public 228 00:10:48,199 --> 00:10:45,540 demand I guess you'd say for something 229 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:48,209 to be done after this psychic had the 230 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:50,520 vision of where the children were that 231 00:10:54,019 --> 00:10:52,529 the premier of the state and the Deputy 232 00:10:56,269 --> 00:10:54,029 Police Commissioner actually had a 233 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:56,279 conference to decide what to be done 234 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:00,000 should they authorize the excavation of 235 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:01,950 this warehouse and even went to state 236 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:03,750 cabinet eventually after a couple of 237 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:08,610 days cabinet decided with or based on 238 00:11:13,460 --> 00:11:11,490 the advice of police that there was no 239 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:13,470 reasonable chance that the children 240 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:16,050 would be buried there and any excavation 241 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:17,880 would be a complete waste of time and 242 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:20,640 money the police had very good reasons 243 00:11:24,980 --> 00:11:23,610 to think that it just wouldn't have 244 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:24,990 happened the children wouldn't be buried 245 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,430 there under any circumstances 246 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:29,040 although that information in detail 247 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:31,560 wasn't at hand you'd have to think the 248 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:33,410 police knew what they were talking about 249 00:11:39,019 --> 00:11:36,390 well that wasn't very satisfactory for 250 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:39,029 the citizens the good citizens of 251 00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:42,420 Adelaide who shortly thereafter some of 252 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:44,270 them at least formed an action committee 253 00:11:51,710 --> 00:11:48,660 raised something like $40,000 and had an 254 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:51,720 excavation performed anyway the next 255 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:56,850 year alas nothing was found and you 256 00:12:05,750 --> 00:11:58,170 think well that's sort of where that 257 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:05,760 story ends but no 30 years later in 1996 258 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:08,160 the same man the same businessman who 259 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:11,550 helped sponsor Chris 'its visit in the 260 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:15,410 60s con Pillai DS funded another 261 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:18,420 excavation so convinced was he that 262 00:12:21,530 --> 00:12:20,010 that's where the children were cus 263 00:12:26,420 --> 00:12:21,540 that's what the psychic said all those 264 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:26,430 years ago again nothing was found not a 265 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:28,440 thing now I'm sure there are people 266 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:30,330 listening right now who remember those 267 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:32,550 days and remember them when the children 268 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:34,410 disappeared over fifty years ago and 269 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:37,670 probably remember the the fuss the 270 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:40,500 pandemonium of having a psychic come all 271 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:42,959 the way from the Netherlands and look 272 00:12:47,180 --> 00:12:46,140 for these missing children and it's from 273 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:47,190 a sceptical point of view it's 274 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:49,680 fascinating to follow the case day by 275 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:52,920 day through newspaper reports and also 276 00:12:57,530 --> 00:12:55,440 to realize that despite all the evidence 277 00:12:59,210 --> 00:12:57,540 that would suggest that this man didn't 278 00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:59,220 know what he was talking about more or 279 00:13:03,769 --> 00:13:01,920 less randomly wandering and driving 280 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:03,779 around streets and looking for visions 281 00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:06,720 and signs that people really did think 282 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:09,990 he was the real deal even up to 30 years 283 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:11,400 later they couldn't let it drop 284 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:14,089 and even today Australia is plagued with 285 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:16,680 so-called psychic detectives people who 286 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:18,600 waste the time of police sending them 287 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:21,990 their visions and it reminds me of what 288 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:24,720 Detective Chief Inspector Gary deublin 289 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:26,520 of the New South Wales Police Force said 290 00:13:32,540 --> 00:13:28,500 only a few months ago in a media 291 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:32,550 statement quote we are not interested in 292 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:35,220 information from clairvoyance or people 293 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:38,670 that have had dreams we're interested in 294 00:13:42,210 --> 00:13:39,850 people 295 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:42,220 that have genuine information and quote 296 00:13:45,809 --> 00:13:44,350 so people can whine and whinge about the 297 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:45,819 skeptics or they like saying of course 298 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:47,620 the skeptics don't believe in psychic 299 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:49,649 detectives and psychics helping police 300 00:13:54,689 --> 00:13:53,529 well that may be the case but when 301 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:54,699 something comes from the police 302 00:13:59,340 --> 00:13:57,220 themselves saying basically stop wasting 303 00:14:02,160 --> 00:13:59,350 our time then I think everybody should 304 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:02,170 listen well after all that and that's an 305 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:03,790 interesting case oh you can read much 306 00:14:08,129 --> 00:14:05,800 more about that by the way I wrote a 307 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:08,139 full report in the next issue of the 308 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:10,000 skeptic The Magazine from Australian 309 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:12,370 skeptics and after all that I think it's 310 00:14:17,999 --> 00:14:13,810 time for me to run downstairs have a 311 00:14:21,389 --> 00:14:18,009 very very large glass of ice cold water 312 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,399 with extra ice will I do that I hope you 313 00:14:38,699 --> 00:14:23,120 enjoy the skeptic zone 314 00:14:49,749 --> 00:14:41,519 let's all take this with a grain of salt 315 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:49,759 she's around ticket yes it's a grain of 316 00:14:53,949 --> 00:14:51,230 salt with the Rance again hello run 317 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:53,959 hello Richard how you doing I'm not too 318 00:14:58,749 --> 00:14:56,720 bad as you know because the other night 319 00:15:02,410 --> 00:14:58,759 as I told my listeners at the top of the 320 00:15:05,259 --> 00:15:02,420 show I I was crunching down a cardboard 321 00:15:07,419 --> 00:15:05,269 box in my living room to put into the 322 00:15:10,119 --> 00:15:07,429 recycle my thought went down on the box 323 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:10,129 and it slipped on the the box and the 324 00:15:14,350 --> 00:15:12,170 the wooden floor and I went straight 325 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:14,360 backwards on my coccyx and I'm just 326 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:20,689 waiting to get the x-rays that's the 327 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:21,889 only thing me too 328 00:15:26,139 --> 00:15:24,920 but more important matters recently our 329 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:26,149 listeners certainly have been aware of 330 00:15:32,429 --> 00:15:29,929 the campaign to help Brit hermès yes and 331 00:15:35,489 --> 00:15:32,439 which was initiated by you of course and 332 00:15:38,979 --> 00:15:35,499 can you let us know the latest 333 00:15:40,569 --> 00:15:38,989 developments on that yeah so I would say 334 00:15:42,819 --> 00:15:40,579 I mean the campaign is sort of ongoing 335 00:15:46,539 --> 00:15:42,829 in that we still have donations coming 336 00:15:49,479 --> 00:15:46,549 in at a slow pace as a drip maybe about 337 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:49,489 ten to fifteen donations a day we are 338 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:52,360 now up to the total donation so far 339 00:15:58,419 --> 00:15:55,699 95,000 Wow which is quite astonishing we 340 00:16:00,789 --> 00:15:58,429 got to our target of 80,000 which is 341 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:00,799 fifty thousand euros we got to that 342 00:16:05,139 --> 00:16:03,290 within eight days which was eight days 343 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:05,149 that's all he took for the for the 344 00:16:09,929 --> 00:16:06,529 sceptical international skeptical 345 00:16:14,409 --> 00:16:09,939 community to raise the funds required to 346 00:16:16,429 --> 00:16:14,419 defend Brit or protector against the 347 00:16:18,359 --> 00:16:16,439 potential 348 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:18,369 financial problems that could arise if 349 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:20,170 she had to pay for it for this 350 00:16:25,859 --> 00:16:22,569 litigation herself which means that she 351 00:16:28,739 --> 00:16:25,869 can stand up to the bullying of Colleen 352 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:28,749 hooba and hopefully we won't come to 353 00:16:32,009 --> 00:16:30,100 that hopefully she won't need the money 354 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:32,019 hopefully this will be thrown out very 355 00:16:38,009 --> 00:16:35,050 quickly however if it does come it does 356 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:38,019 go the length of usual court case she 357 00:16:41,579 --> 00:16:39,399 will be able to we will be able to pay 358 00:16:43,439 --> 00:16:41,589 her legal bills and that would be a big 359 00:16:46,109 --> 00:16:43,449 story in itself this is in similar 360 00:16:48,689 --> 00:16:46,119 lights to the campaign we did for Ken 361 00:16:51,359 --> 00:16:48,699 Harvey in years 2011 we are trying to 362 00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,369 not only protect Britt here we're also 363 00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:52,959 trying to send a message to quacks out 364 00:16:57,090 --> 00:16:55,149 there that they should not mess with 365 00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:57,100 skeptics because we will not bow and we 366 00:17:04,380 --> 00:16:58,720 will defend our own and we'll make sure 367 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:04,390 that the truth can be heard in that in 368 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:07,390 that respect it should be noted that we 369 00:17:12,539 --> 00:17:09,370 are going further than simply Britt what 370 00:17:14,189 --> 00:17:12,549 because we've already collected more 371 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:14,199 than money than Britt will light will 372 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:15,610 likely need even in the worst case 373 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,980 scenario and we are hopeful that Britt 374 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:19,600 won't need all that money we will have a 375 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:21,490 chunk of money out there available to 376 00:17:26,429 --> 00:17:24,010 for the establishment of a Legal Defense 377 00:17:27,779 --> 00:17:26,439 Fund and we are already working on the 378 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:27,789 establishment of such a fund it will not 379 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:29,860 be an Australian skeptics fund he will 380 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:31,510 be something international so we're 381 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:32,590 working with several international 382 00:17:37,529 --> 00:17:36,130 colleagues on establishing it but yeah 383 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:37,539 it will be a while before that that 384 00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,770 happens but there will be money out 385 00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:40,720 there and there will be a mechanism for 386 00:17:46,889 --> 00:17:43,539 skeptics who are being sued to seek some 387 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:46,899 help it's certainly not then a green 388 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,490 light for people to shoot them out off 389 00:17:52,620 --> 00:17:50,799 no no it's a it's definitely not that 390 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:52,630 and we actually are one of the things 391 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,240 we've been talking about is that Steve 392 00:17:59,399 --> 00:17:57,039 Novello suggested that we should have a 393 00:18:01,169 --> 00:17:59,409 primer that basically tells people this 394 00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:01,179 is how not to get sued yes and people 395 00:18:06,389 --> 00:18:04,480 ignore that will not be eligible to be 396 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:06,399 helps I mean if you if you try to get 397 00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,860 sued if you just you go out there and 398 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:11,039 you're not cautious enough and you 399 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:14,260 defame people unnecessarily not simply 400 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:16,090 telling the truth but actually defaming 401 00:18:19,889 --> 00:18:18,490 people then you know you're on your own 402 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:19,899 we're not gonna we're not there to 403 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:22,600 simply support people being being just 404 00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:24,230 stupid about the way they behave 405 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:27,559 but when somebody simply exposes some 406 00:18:33,490 --> 00:18:30,200 quackery which is what Britt does she 407 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:33,500 simply exposes naturopathy in general 408 00:18:37,870 --> 00:18:35,570 and specific naturopaths in particular 409 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:37,880 and she exposes them based on the 410 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:40,640 evidence she deserves to be protected 411 00:18:44,110 --> 00:18:42,530 she does not deserve to be sued and 412 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:44,120 that's why we've done this well she of 413 00:18:47,770 --> 00:18:45,950 course she gave a wonderful talk at our 414 00:18:51,789 --> 00:18:47,780 recent convention only a couple months 415 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:51,799 ago via video from the home in Germany 416 00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:53,630 but that was a highlight of the 417 00:18:57,549 --> 00:18:55,640 convention I think yes he was he was 418 00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:57,559 very well received and we hope to have 419 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:01,700 her at some future event in person that 420 00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:03,260 would be live meant great a few times 421 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,059 and she's absolutely wonderful well 422 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:06,559 thanks around and people can still can 423 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:08,270 contribute to that if they feel so 424 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:09,410 inclined yeah and they can go to 425 00:19:15,820 --> 00:19:12,650 skeptics condo to you / great Hermes or 426 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:15,830 just Britt some people have put in place 427 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:17,330 their recurring donation which is a 428 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,890 really good idea because then it's in a 429 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:20,960 small amounts maybe ten fifteen dollars 430 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:22,850 a month and but you know every month and 431 00:19:28,299 --> 00:19:25,790 then that it again it accumulates there 432 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,309 were we had a so far 2,300 donate 433 00:19:33,070 --> 00:19:29,600 donations which is a very large number 434 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:33,080 and most of them are under $20 by the 435 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:34,370 way a few large ones but most of the 436 00:19:40,510 --> 00:19:37,100 rounds were needed under $20 in yet we 437 00:19:42,730 --> 00:19:40,520 are now at $95,000 so it shows you the 438 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:42,740 the power of you know large numbers so 439 00:19:46,659 --> 00:19:44,540 yes anybody you can donate maybe put 440 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:46,669 together put put in place a recurring 441 00:19:55,790 --> 00:19:47,990 donation that's very helpful 442 00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:59,620 [Music] 443 00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:01,320 [Applause] 444 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,720 calling all skeptics or listeners do you 445 00:20:09,419 --> 00:20:07,120 live in or near Glasgow or are you 446 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:09,429 planning to visit something then you're 447 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:12,070 in luck because a Glasgow sceptics have 448 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:15,100 got your Monday nights sorted we are 449 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,809 committed to filling up every available 450 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:19,120 Monday night talks on science and 451 00:20:24,330 --> 00:20:22,120 skepticism ha speakers include Eugenie 452 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:24,340 Scott jelly coin maker Marshall Nate 453 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:24,850 Phelps 454 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:26,860 tormund Cecil from cognitive dissonance 455 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:30,220 PZ Myers Richard Wiseman AC grilling 456 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:32,289 Nora Heath and Eli from the scaling 457 00:20:37,409 --> 00:20:35,230 atheist Simon Singh Rebecca Watson and a 458 00:20:39,749 --> 00:20:37,419 multitude of local academics and 459 00:20:41,789 --> 00:20:39,759 sceptics there's literally nothing 460 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:41,799 better you can do on a Monday night in 461 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,049 Glasgow that doesn't involve taking your 462 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:46,840 clothes off so come join us we've also 463 00:20:51,149 --> 00:20:48,940 got a vibrant online community you can 464 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:51,159 find us on Facebook Twitter and get 465 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:53,350 involved with the discussion glasgow 466 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,830 skeptics self-help or your brain 467 00:21:07,880 --> 00:20:58,080 [Music] 468 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:13,050 years may not spooky action at the 469 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:19,030 distance well of course skeptics at the 470 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:20,770 pub here it's February it's a packed 471 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:22,570 room over a hundred hundred and twenty 472 00:21:25,890 --> 00:21:23,770 people all at one hundred and twenty 473 00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:25,900 thousand people here to hear about Pooh 474 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:27,700 and a-holes backed up other stuff now 475 00:21:31,530 --> 00:21:29,050 who've we got here and where are you 476 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:31,540 from yeah my name is Andrea Liang and 477 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:34,450 I'm a microbiologist I currently work in 478 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:37,750 a private company doing research on the 479 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:40,090 bacteria that you find in probiotics but 480 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:42,460 I've worked on antibacterial surfaces in 481 00:21:48,210 --> 00:21:45,190 the past I'm quite interested in looking 482 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:48,220 at ways that we can interact with 483 00:21:52,350 --> 00:21:49,900 microbes other than killing them all 484 00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:52,360 with antibiotics and what drew you into 485 00:21:57,210 --> 00:21:55,060 this field in the first place bacteria I 486 00:22:00,450 --> 00:21:57,220 mean surely viruses are all sexy action 487 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:00,460 is in science isn't it yeah well you get 488 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:02,440 the best of both worlds bacteria have 489 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:05,020 viruses of their own yes yes you had 490 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:07,110 some photos of it yeah 491 00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:10,170 so I've just always had an interest in 492 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:12,870 microbiology I guess I've just always 493 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:15,330 wanted to look at the causes of human 494 00:22:20,290 --> 00:22:17,130 health and disease and then through uni 495 00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,300 I realized that microbiology was for me 496 00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:22,500 it gets a bit smelly in the lab 497 00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:25,920 sometimes has this changed in any way 498 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:28,860 the way you look at public restrooms for 499 00:22:33,910 --> 00:22:32,820 example I think it actually made me less 500 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:33,920 of a germaphobe 501 00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:36,630 because I suppose I work with bacteria 502 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,340 in a lab I know as long as I wash my 503 00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:40,020 hands I'm not going to get sick so 504 00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:43,620 that's actually something that I think 505 00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:48,990 about antibacterial soap yes so if you 506 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:50,760 weren't getting sick before then 507 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:53,220 antibiotics soap isn't really doing any 508 00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:55,140 good is it it's a waste of money 509 00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:57,240 because what my dad he's the classic 50s 510 00:23:01,460 --> 00:22:59,610 dad he's about 90 so it's man versus 511 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:01,470 nature in the garden in the house it's 512 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:03,090 everything's got to be clean all the 513 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:04,710 time and if it's an if he could have an 514 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:10,070 antibiotic hat he'd wear one definitely 515 00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:12,390 working with bacteria on a day to day 516 00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,240 basis makes me less concerned about the 517 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:17,760 bacteria that you see on door handles 518 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:19,860 and things like that but maybe maybe a 519 00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:21,450 little more concerned about some of the 520 00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:24,780 bacteria that cause disease um actually 521 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:26,520 that's not true 522 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:28,670 when it comes to food as well I think 523 00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:32,810 that's fine that's fine for another day 524 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:35,220 so the use by date because you're a 525 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:36,780 professional who's trained you can let 526 00:23:40,690 --> 00:23:38,930 that go a couple of days 527 00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:40,700 yeah I think I've probably just got a 528 00:23:44,770 --> 00:23:42,560 bit of hubris and think I'm the bacteria 529 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:44,780 whisperer what is it the most 530 00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:46,850 fascinating bacteria - everybody's got 531 00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:48,470 their own every doctors got a favorite 532 00:23:52,150 --> 00:23:50,030 part of the body a favorite disease 533 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:52,160 what's the most interesting bacteria to 534 00:24:00,160 --> 00:23:53,810 you is it one we'd know was one of these 535 00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:00,170 smartypants welcomed Anthea newson 536 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:01,820 Ophelia Wow 537 00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:03,740 that's bacteria that lives in the gut 538 00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:06,500 and actually as its carbohydrate source 539 00:24:13,030 --> 00:24:10,820 likes to eat our gut mucus so if it if 540 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:13,040 it eats too much of that we can have 541 00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:15,410 some trouble as the mucus is broken down 542 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:18,470 too far and if we don't have enough of 543 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:20,090 that bacteria we can also even have 544 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,710 trouble when the mucus builds up too 545 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:24,320 much so it's a like everything delicate 546 00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:26,270 balance so how does your gut regulate 547 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:27,740 the amount of that bacteria how do they 548 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:33,590 kill it off or provoke more of it in 549 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:36,530 particular also breaks down v r in the 550 00:24:40,150 --> 00:24:37,850 gut so if you're eating the right amount 551 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:40,160 of fiber I think most people don't tend 552 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:42,200 to have a problem it since sustain a 553 00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:44,180 good balance and we've got another 554 00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:46,040 excuse as to why we're eating too much 555 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,900 chocolate and you gave it to us today 556 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:50,000 tell our listeners about this this is a 557 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:52,310 great one oh it's the bacteria I just 558 00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:53,420 ate the whole packet of Tim Tams 559 00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:56,780 bacteria yes so there are some theories 560 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:00,320 that the bacteria in our guts actually 561 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:02,210 influence our cravings for certain foods 562 00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:04,010 because it's in their best interests to 563 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:06,500 keep us eating the things that nourish 564 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:07,880 them 565 00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:09,770 so there was a study that found that 566 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:12,950 individuals who strongly desire 567 00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:16,600 chocolate have a different microbiome - 568 00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:19,880 well different bacterial or metabolites 569 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,500 in the urine I should say I shouldn't 570 00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,080 overstep that different bacterial 571 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:26,000 metabolites in the urine of chocolate 572 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:28,130 appreciators compared to people who 573 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:30,770 don't much care for chocolate so there's 574 00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,900 a missing correlation there who knows if 575 00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:35,120 it's a causation but oh I'll be blaming 576 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:37,160 the bacteria and what's probably the 577 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:40,070 best thing we can eat for our gut flora 578 00:25:43,779 --> 00:25:41,990 and fauna are the spots of animals down 579 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:43,789 there yeah what's the best thing is that 580 00:25:46,659 --> 00:25:44,840 one thing that's better than anything 581 00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:46,669 else oh is it such an individual thing 582 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:49,030 you couldn't even answer that question 583 00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:51,650 microbiome varies a lot from person to 584 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:52,159 person 585 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,350 but there are some species that are 586 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:56,240 pretty much common to all of us but the 587 00:26:00,669 --> 00:25:58,490 best thing we can do to nourish our gut 588 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:00,679 microbiome is to eat a lot of fiber the 589 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:03,400 bacteria they like to break down fiber 590 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:05,900 generally the good guys and we want a 591 00:26:11,169 --> 00:26:08,360 lot of those and lots of complex sugars 592 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:11,179 not so good yeah and lots of simple 593 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,710 sugars also not so good so 594 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:15,360 not that I'm advocating a 595 00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:18,900 low-carbohydrate diet by any means 596 00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:21,420 but yet high-fiber we don't we don't 597 00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:23,190 generally eat as much fiber as we should 598 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:26,520 in our modern diets I'm gonna go eat a 599 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:28,920 raw carrot right now where can we find 600 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:30,570 you online I'll see what you're up to if 601 00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:32,430 you've got a place online we can visit I 602 00:26:39,770 --> 00:26:36,270 have any candidate page for the science 603 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:39,780 party I'm the I'm the candidate for the 604 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:43,080 federal seat of Kingsford Smith and I'm 605 00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,950 the leader of the New South Wales 606 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:46,020 science party so you can find me kicking 607 00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:48,750 around those pages or I am on Twitter at 608 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:53,700 Andrea underscore underscore Lian have 609 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:55,110 you had a chance to do any political 610 00:27:03,260 --> 00:26:56,910 debates with these standard candidates 611 00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:03,270 in your seat death I have and you didn't 612 00:27:09,650 --> 00:27:06,030 get emotional yes try to keep it very 613 00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:09,660 rational yeah so I was quite lucky in 614 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:12,300 the 2016 election that the concerned 615 00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:15,210 citizens of Kingsford Smith organized a 616 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,120 few debates among the candidates so I've 617 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:20,100 got to cut my teeth there so politics is 618 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:21,990 quite quite weird first I like it oh 619 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,370 yeah it's really weird was there 620 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:24,480 something that happened where you went 621 00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:26,280 oh wow I forgot that if you do that 622 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:28,830 people get all weird talking about 623 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,700 nuclear power yes that would be a tough 624 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:34,080 one because sever everyone's got will 625 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:35,910 look it's yes it's environmentally 626 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:36,990 friendly but if you spill something 627 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:38,670 that's a long time 628 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,370 yeah but then looking at the the 629 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,380 alternative that we have at the moment I 630 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,600 think I'll take the potential future 631 00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:47,820 harm of radioactive waste over the 632 00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:52,230 current known harm of more co2 emissions 633 00:27:56,150 --> 00:27:54,390 and also the particulates that we don't 634 00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:56,160 talk too much about because we talk a 635 00:28:00,140 --> 00:27:58,380 lot about the greenhouse gas effect but 636 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:00,150 lots of people are dying from and 637 00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:03,630 getting lung disease and all all sorts 638 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:10,070 from the particulate from coal and as I 639 00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,270 just have to us as stepping into the 640 00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:14,700 political field briefly when you stepped 641 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,260 on that landmine of the nuclear power 642 00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:18,480 issue is there a inhaled breath from the 643 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:20,700 room to the whole room go 644 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,770 what's the sign you look out for that we 645 00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,960 should all should look for oh yeah there 646 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:27,720 was actually a collective intake of 647 00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:30,540 breath but I should have armed myself 648 00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,280 before beforehand with the knowledge 649 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:35,640 that actually think about 20 percent of 650 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:37,890 Australians in favour of nuclear energy 651 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:40,710 and another 20 percent aren't opposed 652 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:42,930 their sort of nuclear energy neutral so 653 00:28:46,030 --> 00:28:44,910 if I'd known that beforehand I would 654 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,040 have been much more confident so 655 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:48,240 forewarned is forearmed so you're 656 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:49,650 looking forward to the next election are 657 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,970 you oh yeah I mean yes of course yeah I 658 00:28:57,379 --> 00:28:55,740 know it's extra stuff on top of your 659 00:29:01,279 --> 00:28:57,389 studies in your work 660 00:29:03,379 --> 00:29:01,289 it is but getting issues out there and 661 00:29:05,989 --> 00:29:03,389 look like dick Smith would like to talk 662 00:29:07,489 --> 00:29:05,999 about the the population debate I think 663 00:29:10,969 --> 00:29:07,499 the nuclear debate is one that should be 664 00:29:13,329 --> 00:29:10,979 had yeah definitely I think it's 665 00:29:15,469 --> 00:29:13,339 beneficial to get that out there that 666 00:29:18,229 --> 00:29:15,479 Australians aren't so opposed to nuclear 667 00:29:19,489 --> 00:29:18,239 power as well let's believe thank you 668 00:29:22,099 --> 00:29:19,499 for time tonight will be a good audience 669 00:29:23,959 --> 00:29:22,109 no I mean at any stage although someone 670 00:29:25,219 --> 00:29:23,969 do some smarty bum told you to read the 671 00:29:29,449 --> 00:29:25,229 Origin of Species 672 00:29:31,009 --> 00:29:29,459 you should goose him sorry the origins 673 00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:31,019 of feces oh is that what he said I 674 00:29:36,589 --> 00:29:34,649 thought I say okay right okay yeah a 675 00:29:37,459 --> 00:29:36,599 funny one mate okay thank you very much 676 00:29:38,329 --> 00:29:37,469 should we hope to have you back again 677 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:38,339 sometime 678 00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:51,360 [Music] 679 00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:55,940 the skeptic magazine the journal from 680 00:30:01,299 --> 00:29:59,090 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 681 00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:01,309 the world's second oldest skeptical 682 00:30:09,790 --> 00:30:06,590 magazine visit WWF Descamps au and click 683 00:30:14,170 --> 00:30:09,800 the publication's link you can also find 684 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,180 there over 30 years on back issues free 685 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:17,360 to download the skeptic magazine from 686 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:31,340 Australian skeptics memoirs of a former 687 00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:34,250 mystic a documentary film being made by 688 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:38,600 Jessica Schwab and Elizabeth fascia in 689 00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:41,450 production now a film were a former 690 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:44,660 spiritual leader dares to expose what 691 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:47,110 she wants taught and believed so fondly 692 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:48,730 [Music] 693 00:30:56,049 --> 00:30:52,070 after ten years of being a New Age guru 694 00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:56,059 and iconic crystal child Jessica Shaw of 695 00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,030 aka Jessica mystic chose to quit her 696 00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:02,000 mission and started deconditioning 697 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:04,670 herself from the esoteric ideas that had 698 00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:13,760 ruled her life her so long hello I am 699 00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:15,980 the producer of the documentary project 700 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:18,980 memoize a Performa mystic I met Jessica 701 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:21,500 sharp two years ago and she told me 702 00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,290 about her story and I felt okay we have 703 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:27,200 to make a film about this so just yeah 704 00:31:31,780 --> 00:31:29,390 can you tell us what the story is all 705 00:31:33,490 --> 00:31:31,790 about yes in this film I'm going to take 706 00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,500 people into a journey of how I end up 707 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:36,559 believing these things to begin with the 708 00:31:41,140 --> 00:31:38,990 spiritual new-age ideologies that is all 709 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:41,150 about love light and consciousness and 710 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:42,770 connecting to your infinite potential 711 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:45,740 and being positive but also dealing with 712 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:47,929 the darker energy which we call the 713 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:48,620 Illuminati 714 00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:50,990 that is controlling the government and I 715 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:53,630 thought I was I had this very important 716 00:31:58,990 --> 00:31:56,450 information and so I decided to make a 717 00:32:00,640 --> 00:31:59,000 youtube video in 2008 called my message 718 00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:00,650 to humanity 719 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:02,600 this video ended up getting a lot of 720 00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:04,850 interest and support from people they 721 00:32:09,790 --> 00:32:07,430 were so impressed by it and they felt 722 00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:09,800 that I had something really important 723 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:12,470 and before I knew it I was asked to 724 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:14,150 speak all over the world about my 725 00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:17,930 spiritual messages and and it was it was 726 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:20,840 just suddenly became a guru and when I 727 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:22,250 really believed what I was doing I 728 00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:23,720 really felt it was helping and it was 729 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:26,060 right and it was true so I accepted this 730 00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:29,540 label this title and I also became a 731 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:32,540 celebrity in the esoteric field when as 732 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:33,890 time went on I started to realize that 733 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,570 these beliefs were really not helping 734 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:38,240 that they were not that it was difficult 735 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:40,160 to be able to face reality with these 736 00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:42,050 beliefs particularly also for myself 737 00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:43,940 that we but these beliefs were the 738 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:45,500 answer and solution to all of our 739 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:47,780 problems and my own personal life was a 740 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:50,630 mess and they weren't able to help me so 741 00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:53,330 I started to feel so very trapped by 742 00:32:59,620 --> 00:32:58,070 these beliefs and I also saw that I I 743 00:33:01,060 --> 00:32:59,630 really wanted to believe they were 744 00:33:02,530 --> 00:33:01,070 helping but the more I saw that they 745 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:02,540 really weren't and I had a 746 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:04,130 responsibility because I helped to 747 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:06,830 encourage this therefore I had to be the 748 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:09,230 one to now speak out and expose it but 749 00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:11,870 really nothing prepared me for how my 750 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:14,900 father's reacted when I did this yeah as 751 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:18,110 you see it's a very exciting product the 752 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:21,050 testimonial of a person who was a 753 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:23,450 believer and became a skeptic and it's 754 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:25,880 really a provocation actually from this 755 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:29,060 outstanding story to tell people to 756 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:30,890 question their own beliefs to question 757 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:33,020 their own way of thinking and sometimes 758 00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,750 we think we do the best we are doing 759 00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:37,880 good we are looking for the truth and 760 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:40,070 actually we're doing some harm to 761 00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:43,610 ourselves and to others so this film is 762 00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:45,080 gonna be an adventure we're gonna go 763 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:47,000 around the world to shoot sequences 764 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:51,020 where Jessica was once welcomed as a 765 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:54,170 messenger of a greater truth it's gonna 766 00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:57,290 be shot in North America in Europe and 767 00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:58,970 even in Asia where she went 768 00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:02,210 so we hope you you're as excited as we 769 00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:04,400 are about this project and that you will 770 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:06,380 support it thanks a lot 771 00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:12,510 [Music] 772 00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:14,859 if you want to support this project 773 00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:19,540 visit wwm woz of a form of mr. calm or 774 00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:21,639 just follow the links in this week's 775 00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:38,440 show notes oh hi Maynard 776 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:41,589 oh hi Heidi great day in this park 777 00:34:48,359 --> 00:34:44,440 yeah if you like that sort of thing look 778 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:48,369 over there oh yeah we there are no such 779 00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:52,889 things as URIs silly hmm might be just 780 00:34:58,050 --> 00:34:56,500 dog a big dog I think it's a King 781 00:35:02,099 --> 00:34:58,060 Charles Spaniel thing 782 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,109 mmm no no no no no it's a Yowie Maynard 783 00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:04,900 if it's a choice between it being a dog 784 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:05,980 or a Yowie 785 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:09,700 no no no it's ii yo ii yo ii yo ii yo ii 786 00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:12,220 yo ii argument from Authority its 787 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:16,180 yah we are you - what are you arguing 788 00:35:23,609 --> 00:35:19,030 about may not thinks that dog lookin 789 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:23,619 thing over there is a Yowie yah we well 790 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:27,940 maybe Chu Becker the wookie over her I 791 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,369 see okay we better look this up in the 792 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:33,480 skeptics dictionary online though Wow 793 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,490 the skeptics dictionary online features 794 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:38,890 definitions arguments and essays on 795 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:41,500 hundreds of strange beliefs amusing 796 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:44,280 descriptions and dangerous delusions 797 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:46,930 also features dozens of entries on 798 00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:49,720 logical fallacies cognitive biases 799 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:05,430 wws ke p di c comma right ha d prepared 800 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:08,900 to be amazed okay 801 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:13,390 ah here it is send a Bigfoot it says 802 00:36:19,029 --> 00:36:16,970 most scientists discount the evidence of 803 00:36:21,999 --> 00:36:19,039 Bigfoot because the evidence supporting 804 00:36:24,609 --> 00:36:22,009 belief in the survival of a historic 805 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:24,619 biped ape-like creature of such 806 00:36:35,009 --> 00:36:28,249 dimensions is scant you know maybe that 807 00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:56,559 thank you skeptics dictionary online now 808 00:36:59,859 --> 00:36:57,859 here's a story from the Australian 809 00:37:02,349 --> 00:36:59,869 skeptics at skeptics calm today you 810 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:02,359 written by Tim Mendham published on the 811 00:37:09,009 --> 00:37:05,690 2nd of February 2018 scientific literacy 812 00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:09,019 low priority for complementary and 813 00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:17,530 a draft industry skills forecast for the 814 00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:20,030 complementary health industry puts 815 00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:22,670 scientific illiteracy near the bottom of 816 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:26,360 its list of quote key generic skills 817 00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:28,790 ranked in order of importance end quote 818 00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:32,480 quote science mathematics and scientific 819 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:37,880 literacy unquote ranks 11 out of 12 820 00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:40,930 meaning Finance and entrepreneurialship 821 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:43,700 including the ability to sell ideas and 822 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:46,490 products are more important only quote 823 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,830 environmental and sustainability in 824 00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:51,440 quote skills rate lower than an 825 00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,540 appreciation and knowledge of science 826 00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:56,720 the complementary medicine disciplines 827 00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:00,140 covered in the forecast are aromatherapy 828 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:03,680 era Veda kinesiology massage and 829 00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:06,340 remedial massage therapy reflexology 830 00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:09,320 shiatsu and traditional Chinese medicine 831 00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:12,740 remedial massage the list is part of a 832 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:15,500 skills forecast document prepared by 833 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:19,240 skills iq quote a not-for-profit 834 00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:22,970 independent skills service organization 835 00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:25,070 supporting a range of industry reference 836 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:28,580 committees ir cease to undertake 837 00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:30,590 training product development that 838 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:33,800 ensures skills meet future industry 839 00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:36,890 needs in quote skills like you receive 840 00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:38,420 some financial support from the 841 00:38:44,350 --> 00:38:41,420 Commonwealth Government the seventeen IR 842 00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:44,360 sees that skills IQ works with are 843 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:46,100 responsible for overseeing the 844 00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:48,380 development and review of training 845 00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:51,470 packages serving the skills needs of 846 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:53,630 almost fifty percent of the Australian 847 00:39:00,280 --> 00:38:57,440 workforce skills IQ objectives they 848 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:00,290 include facilitating IRCs to advise the 849 00:39:06,370 --> 00:39:02,630 Australian Government via the Australian 850 00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:06,380 industry and skills committee I are CG 851 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:08,660 on quote positioning Australia to 852 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:10,250 respond to additional demands for 853 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:13,010 services as our population ages to 854 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:15,260 capitalize on synergies across the 855 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:17,690 services sector to increase career 856 00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:20,690 pathways and mobility and recruitment of 857 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:24,350 young people men quote the complimentary 858 00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:26,510 health skills document is not sure how 859 00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:27,109 many 860 00:39:32,019 --> 00:39:28,940 businesses there are in the overall 861 00:39:33,759 --> 00:39:32,029 complimentary medicine sector depending 862 00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:33,769 on the source there are somewhere 863 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:36,049 between nineteen thousand five hundred 864 00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:39,710 to nearly 30 thousand those numbers 865 00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:41,630 include other services not covered in 866 00:39:45,849 --> 00:39:43,700 the skills forecast but are still 867 00:39:49,089 --> 00:39:45,859 classified as complementary or quote 868 00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:49,099 allied unquote services most of the 869 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:51,999 businesses are single person operations 870 00:39:58,109 --> 00:39:55,690 the twelve generic skills required by 871 00:40:00,489 --> 00:39:58,119 complementary and alternative medicine 872 00:40:03,009 --> 00:40:00,499 operators are supplied by the 873 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:03,019 Commonwealth Department of Education and 874 00:40:08,319 --> 00:40:05,450 Training though not necessarily in the 875 00:40:12,269 --> 00:40:08,329 order presented ranked from the most 876 00:40:14,799 --> 00:40:12,279 important to the least they are one 877 00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:14,809 communication collaboration social 878 00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:18,009 intelligence to learning agility 879 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:20,900 information literacy intellectual 880 00:40:28,499 --> 00:40:23,900 autonomy three customer service 881 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:28,509 marketing for financial five 882 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:31,849 entrepreneurial six language literacy 883 00:40:39,749 --> 00:40:36,249 and numeracy seven design mindset 884 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:39,759 thinking critically system thinking 885 00:40:49,229 --> 00:40:43,609 problem-solving eight technology and 886 00:40:54,299 --> 00:40:49,239 application nine data analysis ten 887 00:40:57,609 --> 00:40:54,309 managerial leadership eleven science 888 00:41:00,749 --> 00:40:57,619 technology engineering and maths science 889 00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:00,759 mathematics and scientific literacy 890 00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:05,630 twelve environmental sustainability the 891 00:41:10,539 --> 00:41:07,670 seventh skill set which includes 892 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:10,549 critical thinking covers quote ability 893 00:41:16,029 --> 00:41:13,130 to adapt products to rapidly shifting 894 00:41:17,499 --> 00:41:16,039 consumer tastes and trends ability to 895 00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:17,509 determine the deeper meaning or 896 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:19,369 significance of what is being expressed 897 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:22,460 by technology ability to understand how 898 00:41:29,499 --> 00:41:25,670 things are regarded as systems influence 899 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:29,509 one another with a complete entity or 900 00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:32,329 larger system ability to think 901 00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:36,950 historically unquote as an aside fans of 902 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:39,799 Yes Minister might be hearing Sir 903 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:41,470 Humphry up will be at the 904 00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:44,210 in that report bottom Mendham appears at 905 00:41:50,900 --> 00:42:08,630 [Music] 906 00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:11,009 thank you for listening to the skeptic 907 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,240 zone now next week we hope to bring you 908 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:16,240 an update on the story that made news 909 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:19,000 here recently last few days the 910 00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:21,940 Australian Senate has passed a bill in 911 00:42:26,099 --> 00:42:23,380 relation to the Therapeutic Goods 912 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:26,109 Administration which opened the door to 913 00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,049 all sorts of quack claims to be made now 914 00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:32,079 we reported on this last week sadly 915 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,900 that's gone through it's absolutely 916 00:42:38,279 --> 00:42:36,880 outrageous but anyway we'll try to bring 917 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:38,289 you some more information about that 918 00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:41,920 next week I'm looking forward on the 919 00:42:47,549 --> 00:42:45,460 first Thursday of next month to skeptics 920 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:47,559 in the pub where Maynard myself and Lara 921 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:51,069 Benham will be conducting a trivia night 922 00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:54,190 if you love trivia love skepticism it's 923 00:42:57,799 --> 00:42:55,869 a skeptical trivia night so all the 924 00:43:01,789 --> 00:42:57,809 questions will most of them I think 925 00:43:04,109 --> 00:43:01,799 wrapped up with your skeptical knowledge 926 00:43:06,059 --> 00:43:04,119 there'll be some prizes along the way 927 00:43:07,799 --> 00:43:06,069 and lots of fun so that's Sydney 928 00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,809 skeptics in the pub more details at 929 00:43:13,819 --> 00:43:11,200 skeptics calm today you and thank you 930 00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,829 for those people who continued to 931 00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:16,000 support the sceptic zone with your 932 00:43:22,799 --> 00:43:19,390 donations via patreon or PayPal and in 933 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:22,809 fact with your generous help over the 934 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:26,200 last couple of years I was able to well 935 00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:27,880 it certainly helped me purchase a new 936 00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:31,000 iPad which I use quite a lot for the 937 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:33,900 sceptic zone in fact mmm something like 938 00:43:40,589 --> 00:43:37,569 75% of the sceptic zone is now edited on 939 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:40,599 the iPad using an app I really like 940 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:43,569 called a ferret for those of you who 941 00:43:48,839 --> 00:43:45,450 want to give it a go it's a wonderful 942 00:43:50,009 --> 00:43:48,849 multitrack audio editor and while I'm 943 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:50,019 talking about these matters 944 00:43:53,579 --> 00:43:53,049 I'm also very taken with the Apple 945 00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:53,589 pencil 946 00:43:58,499 --> 00:43:55,420 well done Apple no I don't get any 947 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,509 kickbacks from Apple not a one and the 948 00:44:03,299 --> 00:44:00,400 app called procreate which is an 949 00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:03,309 artistic app which uses lots and 950 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:05,109 different pens and pencils and inking 951 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:08,470 and multiple layers and it's just very 952 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,180 well done so though they're my tips 953 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:11,680 there you go folks if you happen to have 954 00:44:17,609 --> 00:44:13,690 an iPad pro I can recommend that 955 00:44:21,269 --> 00:44:17,619 combination again I have no deal with 956 00:44:24,019 --> 00:44:21,279 Apple I promise you but until next week 957 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:24,029 and in the meantime I'll practice amaura 958 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:26,650 some more artistic endeavors this is 959 00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:28,930 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 960 00:44:37,799 --> 00:44:35,079 Australia you've been listening to the 961 00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:37,809 skeptic zone podcast please visit our 962 00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:44,470 website at wwlp.com tax and to access 963 00:44:50,849 --> 00:44:47,259 the bat catalog of episodes going back 964 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:50,859 to 2008 you can follow the skeptic zone 965 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:54,490 podcast on twitter at skeptic zone visit 966 00:45:00,240 --> 00:44:56,890 our facebook page or leave a review on 967 00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:00,250 itunes you can also support the skeptic 968 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:03,640 zone via patreon or PayPal the skeptic 969 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:05,980 zone podcast is an independent 970 00:45:10,140 --> 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